Ryan Burns: 0:12

What's up gang. Welcome to this episode of Under The Log podcast where we talk to men and women that recently completed GORUCK. Today we're talking to Cory Parsons about his very first GORUCK event, the Battle of the Bulge tough up in Columbus and among other things, we're gonna talk about Corey's training, which involved going on to rocks and his nutrition plan, which involves Burger King, Wendy's and McDonald's. Yep, it's awesome. Before we get to our interview, we wanted to share some advice that we thought could have seriously helped out Cory. And that's the visit ruck dot training. On the website, we offer free training guides for people wanting to do a GORUCK heavy tough for light. Now basic. These guides are great to use as written or can be modified to meet your personal training needs. Check them out at ruck dot training, or check out the link in our show notes. With that, let's catch up with Corey. All right, hey, Cory, man, Thanks a ton for coming on the podcast. You know, we're gonna be talking today about your recent GORUCK Battle of the Bulge tough up there in Columbus. But when I was emailing you, I noticed that the email account that you're using was connected to rogue tree solutions.com. And so of course, you know, I grabbed the URL popped over there to check it out. And I've got to say, Man, like the promo video for your company pretty much got me so fired up. Like I was ready to go grab a chainsaw, like climate tree, cut it down. But you know, you're you're a little too far away to come down and cut down some trees for me. But before we get to talking about GORUCK and all that stuff, man, tell tell us a little bit about yourself.

Corey Parsons: 2:09

Yeah, so first off, Ryan, I appreciate you having me on. These little things are kind of cool. And I enjoy them. So I appreciate that. Yeah, so I'm, I'm 32. You know, kind of background on the whole go rock and that type of workout and mindset. It's all very new to me. My oldest brother. He's pretty into it. He does it quite a bit. He actually He's my sales manager. He was in the military. You know, he got out. started working for me. And him and my director of operations. That's, you know, every week in the ruck and it turned into news, a lot of a lot of playful banter between us going back and forth. And that's kind of what got me into it into the go rockin community, I guess you say so. But yeah, we, we have some fun, man, we have a tree company, a rogue tree solutions. That's kind of what started, you know, my entrepreneurship. Since turned into we've got three other businesses. You know, one's a corporate landscape company that we pushed mainstream property management for large corporations. So we have that and we have an investment company that holds commercial real estate. And we do commercial leasing to other like businesses, and you know, we got an ambulance company, a couple small manufacturing company stuff like that, that we We leased to. So, yeah, it's it's busy man, I've got a got three kids and I've got three businesses. So it's, it's a lot. Um, yeah. As far as you know, the mindset of Rocky man at something I just wanted to touch on. Yeah, it's, it's very unique. I was never into sports a whole lot. Obviously, I've always been very active outside. You see in the promotional videos, it's a very physical demanding job. But over the last, you know, the last two to three years, I've honestly, I've kind of lost the physical aspect. You know, my, my day to day operations now is it's a mental game. I run the businesses coordinate with our commercial clients. So it's a lot of meetings and behind the computer for me at this point,

Ryan Burns: 4:40

not as much actually getting up in the trees, huh?

Corey Parsons: 4:44

Yeah, I actually I haven't, I haven't been in a tree for it's been probably over two years at this point. And mentally that's tough because that's, that's what I mean. I'm through and through a tree guy as much as I am a business guy and I feel Enjoy tree work. So, you know, Dustin and Austin, my two employees that that's, you know, pretty into rock and actually recently just they're trying to launch a local ruck in Wayne County ruck ruck. I'm sorry, Wayne County. ruckwod. Oh, nice. Yeah. So they're trying to get people more involved. And so they go every weekend, and it got to the point, they're like, Man, you know, this probably isn't for you. You can't I don't I don't know if you're quite built for this. And I know just a lot, a lot of banter going back and forth. Like I said, I, I don't really do a whole lot of cardio, I've had a little bit more of a powerlifting type routine, I guess you'd call it. Um, over the last 10 years, that's basically the form of lifting I've done is is more of a strength training. So it was tough. I went rucking kind of twice. I think I went two times before the event in Columbus. So it was a it was it was a battle let

Ryan Burns: 6:08

me get this straight this. So this battle of the bulge tough. Was your your very first event?

Corey Parsons: 6:14

Yes, sir. Yeah, actually, but and third time ever with a run that

Ryan Burns: 6:19

third time ever with a ruck on? And kind of all all you do typically with training? Is is like powerlifting. And that's it. Correct?

Corey Parsons: 6:30

Yeah. So obviously, I didn't really know what I was in for. Mentally, I'm a very, I don't know, I call it tough. Some people would call it touched. I've got a very I don't know the way to describe it. And mentally, I'm good to go. So I knew I knew that if I was there, and I was looking at, like people that no matter how bad the pain got in the, you know, being uncomfortable, like I was ready to enter whatever, whatever I could for as long as I could until I broke Um, so that was my mindset going into it. That's

Ryan Burns: 7:09

that's the right mindset. But man, sometimes shocking your body like that you're gonna have the right mind, but it can it can mess you up. So like, did your your brother those guys like? I mean, obviously, you kind of if they're doing it this regularly, like you kind of know what they're into. But like, did they? Did they prepare you at all? Or they were like, Hey, man, just sign up for this thing. And we'll see you there.

Corey Parsons: 7:35

So they basically, you know, they talked about it, they did a couple events throughout the summer. And again, man, it's tough for me, like I said, I have three kids with the three businesses. So it's tough for me to commit to a weekend train regimen, that, you know, they rock every every Saturday. So that was a little bit of an issue. And another, they've mentioned, they did a couple basics, and they're like, Hey, you know, you should come and it was always those things that just never worked out. Well, then it kind of became a joke. Like, dude, you always talk about doing one, but you're never going to do it. So I finally, you know, they just kept pushing it. And they're like, well, we're doing this event in Columbus. And they're like, you know, but it's probably not for you. This isn't one you want to do. Well, it finally they just kept talking. And I'm like, Well, I'm gonna do it. So it family events have kind of become a running joke. Because, you know, Austin, he's pretty close to our family. So, you know, he'd be there and we're talking and, you know, they're talking about all that condition. And I'm doing and I'm sitting there with a cheeseburger drinking a beer. And I'm like, Yeah, no, I'll be there guys. And it turned into a running joke. And then, you know, we get down there. And then Honestly, it kind of hit me about an hour before start time. I'm like, oh, wow, like, I'm here. To do this, like, Am I like, am I gonna do this? So there was, it was a it was kind of one of those things, man, I signed up. I guess it's kind of like skydiving, like once you get up there. It's now it's go time. Like there isn't much of a choice at this. Yeah,

Ryan Burns: 9:11

once you jump out of the plane, you're committed,

Corey Parsons: 9:13

you're committed. Absolutely. So

Ryan Burns: 9:15

so that I'd love to hear about a little bit more about that. So, you know, you sort of know what you're getting into. Haven't definitely have not trained adequately, I'll just go ahead and tell you that you you did not train adequately. So it's an hour before it's starting to dawn on you. Like you, you roll up. Like, like talk me through, like rolling up. And and, you know, I know even as somebody who's done a fair amount of events, like, just roll call is stressful, like what's going to happen? And then you know, usually there's a welcome party. I don't know if y'all had a little welcome party or not, but like talk me through like those emotions. And thoughts and feelings just kind of like in that right before it starts into right when it's like, oh crap, this is this is happening.

Corey Parsons: 10:08

And I think Ryan To be fair, something leading up to that point where this was a kind of a crucial, crucial thing to add to this. So with the tree company, we're a state contractor. We had a deadline, state job and Youngstown that we started the week of that go that go ruck event. So we got down. The job was, it was a tough one, a lot of manual. You know, we have a lot of equipment, but there's sometimes equipment just can't get in there. So it's a lot of manual work. This particular job, we had one of our very vital piece of equipment go down, and it turned into we had X amount of time to get it done. So the day of the ruck event, you know, I'd say most people probably, you know, relax a little bit, maybe have some late sleeping. We were you know, we were up at 5am that day, we were working on the road by Daybreak was right around seven o'clock. And we worked a full 10 hour day. Ain't no dragon stuff. Yep, and brush, trying to get this job done. So we get the job done. We literally jumped in our vehicles. And you know, this wasn't just me, this was Austin and Dustin. Yeah, jump in our vehicles and we head down there. So there wasn't a whole, you know, there wasn't a whole lot of time for any of us, of us three to rest. So it was we worked a very physical day to the point where, you know, it's people that's never done that type of work. It's hard to understand the physical aspect of it. But

Ryan Burns: 11:49

yeah, and I'd say not just the physical for you. I mean, that's that's a lot of emotional stress. Right. So like you're putting out trying to get this thing done by deadlines. You know, I've, I've had similar experiences where it's like, man, I'd love to, I'd love to chill out today. But man, this is like, this is this is nothing but stress leading up to something that's going to be physically and mentally stressful. And that, that just turns it that that that just makes it so much harder. For sure.

Corey Parsons: 12:18

Yeah, absolutely. And then you throw in the cold factor. So you're outside all day in the cold. Um, so you know, I get down there. We're all pulling into a park of roses. where's where's the the event took place? everyone's kind of getting out of their vehicles. And for me, like, it's funny, Obama's snacks guy. Like, if anything I do I have pockets full of snacks. So like, if I'm hunting it anything that I'm out doing, I have to have snacks. I'm I've been like that since I was a little kid. So I show up. And I've got like, No, I've got these like gallon freezer bags full of snacks. And Austin and Dustin, they're loving it. They're like, Dude, what do you like? What do you think you're doing? Like guys, like, if I'm gonna do this long of like, this much endurance of physical activity, like, I got to have some snacks. So that was funny. Like, I see everyone else getting out. And you know, they've got the gear on, you know, they, they look to part and then like, here's me. And I'm, the whole thing was kind of comical, um, until the welcome party started. And that was a, you know, it was the main thing right off the rip was, they're going through everyone's gear and you got to put it back in. And I'm like, Man, this is, this is gonna be fun. And it was cold that night. You know, I think it was we were right around just below 20 degrees. So the cold thing wasn't a huge, huge issue for me. I wasn't too concerned with it. We're out, you know, I am outside all the time. So that wasn't a big issue. But it definitely definitely played a part into you know, muscle failure and muscle fatigue. So, the welcome party starts off. Aaron hand was our Cadre, he was a very nice guy, very, just very unique individual to talk to a lot of respect for him. But right off the rip, like he starts drilling us and you know, the PT starts. And that's something I just don't do. Like, I haven't done PT since wrestling in high school. So it's, we started doing it, and it's funny like the guys, you know, anyone that knows him, and they they like to make fun of me because I puke almost over everything. Like, that's me, man. I'm a puker. So they're, they're, you know, they're all making bets on that how quickly the welcome party, I'm gonna start throwing up I actually I never threw up once in the entire event which I would have lost everything I had if I would have bet against myself. So I actually i i at one point in the welcome party, I look over and I see my brother, he's actually puking. And that gave me Oh, I love that. I loved it. So it was good, though. So we're sitting there. And we get done with that with the the welcome party. And we start getting, you know, the Israeli leaders out. Everyone's kind of divvying up the sandbags, which there was a lot of stuff that Aaron planned on us to carry. So which that was something I didn't really take into consideration when thinking about doing this event. So I knew I had my back or my rock on, you know, I think it was just over 40 pounds with my gear. And I was comfortable with that, that ptl is like I can get through the PT, the mileage I'm not too concerned about. But the amount of coupons they had to carry, that was something I never really took into consideration. On right off the rip. I'm on a four man team of the width Israeli leader, I believe I'm pronouncing that correctly, which they had, I want to say roughly 240 pounds of weight on top of that. So we start off, we start off walking with it. And you know, mentally I'm good. I'm in the rhythm. And these guys, you know, we're all kind of starting to get to know one another, ask them questions. And at that point in time, I realized, like, I was definitely in for a night of her when the other three guys that I'm with, they're all you know, they've done multiple events. They're talking about the food that they consume for the last, you know, three days leading up to the event. And they're like, you know, they're talking to me, they're like, What did you eat today? And I was like, Yeah, I had fast food three times a day. I woke up at five, I got my McDonald's breakfast. At noon, I got Wendy's and on the way down, I had Burger King. And I was like, dude, I I don't I didn't have the convenience of sitting at home. And, you know, in preparing for this. So that was at that point in time, I was like, man, I may be over my head.

Ryan Burns: 17:20

Yeah, Cory straight that a GORUCK tough with no training at all. I mean, I gotta give it to him for showing up and giving us full measure of effort. Of course, Cory could have done himself a solid by visiting ruck dot training and grabbing one of those free go ruck training guys that are posted there. You know, he's a busy dude with a family and like three businesses. So he could totally take one of the editable versions that we provide and modify it to meet his schedule and his needs. Well, maybe he'll check out our heavy guide. As for you, I mean, you can do whatever you want. But if you'd like to show up to your event prepared, go ahead and check out ruck dot training. Alright, I'll see how Cory story ends up. Well, it's, it's interesting, I mean, because, you know, there, there are so many people, especially when you when you do more and more of these. They certainly take like all these things into consideration. So it becomes very much like, you know, like an athlete training for a marathon or something like that, you know, they, they, they have training regimens and guides to help them figure out how to prepare and then, you know, they have taper periods with their rucking. And, you know, people are watching their nutrition, their hydration plans going in, it's like, you know, it, there's all this going into it. But, you know, there's also those of us who are just like, Man, you know what, I'm here. Right? That's all I got. There. There was nothing. But it is super fun to hear from you like, because, you know, I'm sure there there are folks that that totally just sign up completely unprepared. And you kind of look out there and you're like, Oh, hey, you you didn't know what you're getting into. And so it's always fun to see those folks and to come alongside them and, and see them figure it out as they go. And obviously you made it You made it to the end so you figured it out. Like how, like, how much harder was it than you thought it would be?

Corey Parsons: 19:42

Oh, it was it was one of the hardest mental and physical pain that I've ever honestly been in. And I am I am more than comfortable admitting that. It is the worst part and again, Lack of conditioning was was a huge issue for me. We got to, you know, one point, and we did the Robbie Miller water. Oh, yeah. That's, that's that's not a joke of a workout. And it honestly it gave me a whole new respect for you know, quote unquote crossfitters. And then type of individuals that do that type of workout routinely. And then you throw in the cold aspect in the ground. We didn't have snow at the time. But the ground was literally hard as a rock. So you're doing your your wad on this frozen ground? which definitely, you know, that threw a twist to it. After the Robbie Miller WOD. Cadre wasn't too happy with us at one point for something that was going on. So he pointed to a log in though that was laying in the woods. Yeah, like, you know, it was like you guys need to carry that. I'm not sure if he understood it at the time, he realized how long from from the from where you could stand? And look, it looked like the log was about 15 feet? Well, it once it went out of the leaves that went about another probably 15 to 20. So there was I think there was five of us on this log. And, man, it was tough. It was tough. So

Ryan Burns: 21:25

so so I love that y'all got Under The Log. I mean, this is obviously the Under The Log podcast. And so I am super interested. I mean, you're a tree guy, like you've you've been under some logs in your life, like, right? Like, how, how different was this for you?

Corey Parsons: 21:47

So the biggest issue with the logs was, so when we picked it up, I believe Dustin was on the very end of it, and I was on the front of it. The issue was his height difference. You have a guy that's 6162. And then you have a guy in the middle, that might be five, seven, it's an issue and then you're trying to walk with this. And I believe it was an old lm log on it was it was

Ryan Burns: 22:18

I knew that you were gonna tell me exactly what kind of tree it was.

Corey Parsons: 22:22

Yeah, the problem with it was it was skinny enough that it had serious flex to it. So every time you walked in the different rhythms of the individuals on it walking, it literally the log had a bounce to it the entire time, instead of just sitting in, you know, resting into your shoulder. The entire thing was bouncing and jumping. So I actually the whole like backside of my skull was bruised from it. My shoulder was bruised from it. So I did feel right at home when he was you know, kind of told us to get a hold of it. And not such a nice request. We grabbed it, we walked with it.

Ryan Burns: 23:06

Like when like when he said to go get the log? Was there like part of you that was like, Oh, yeah, this is this is my jam. I got this, y'all.

Corey Parsons: 23:14

I did, I did. And I don't think we ever came off in the log until he told us, you know, we had it, we got to a point where he wanted us to do some PT. And thank God, he didn't have to take it back up. Because when we got done with that, it was brutal man. I will tell you the worst part of the night where i, where i had to dig very deep, is I want to say it was around two or three in the morning. You know, he wanted to simulate some of the conditions of the battle the ball, and some of the issues that those guys had. Keeping. Keep in mind the ground being It was literally it was worse than crawling on concrete, because that the field that we were in, had a lot of raised areas of dirt. So it was like it was like trying to crawl on, like raised granulated like little nuts. So it was that that was brutal. And we went I don't even know the distance we went but we were on our hands and knees for probably an hour and a half to two hours dragging, you know, all the coupons. And there was a hill that you know, he made us. He made us climb to the top. And then there was like a team that was falling behind and he made like all of them send me like casualties. So we went back down the hill and we had to start dragging. You know, once we got all the coupons up, we had to start dragging guys up. And at the end of that I was like I was teetering on it like I don't know, I don't know how much more I can do this like My, my knees were just completely shot. And then he, you know, I think it was a little bit of on purpose but sits and talks about the events of the Battle of bodge, which brings a whole new perspective to your quote unquote, what you think the pain that you're in is a fragment to what these other guys know what they went through years ago. So, yeah, that's, that's a very unique twist to it. So right, so no matter how much pain you think you're in, it's not that bad. And so that's what I kept thinking about, like, this isn't that bad? Like, yeah, this could be 10, you know, 10 times worse, a million times worse, to what those guys actually went through in the Battle of the Bulge.

Ryan Burns: 25:50

Yeah, and I think that's the, that's the special thing about like, like events like this, that are built specifically around things like particular battles and experiences, because, you know, I mean, obviously, I love to just go out and do a little bit of suffering for the fun of it. It's a weird hobby. But, you know, that's, that's something that I enjoy. But when there's events like this, where it's connected to something that happened in our history, like to go into experience, even just a microcosm of that, but then to think about, you know, their listen to the Cadre, explain what these what these folks went through. It just really puts it into context and helps you connect to that. That event in a much deeper way. I mean, you know, it's interesting that you guys were in Columbus, and it was 20 degrees. I mean, obviously, the Battle of the Bulge occurred in really cold and challenging conditions. You know, I talked to some folks that did the Battle of the Bulge in Orlando, and I'm not sure if where it's, that episode will be before or after years, but, you know, they were one of the guys was talking about the challenge of like, trying to think and connect to this battle of the bulge event, while they're like on a beach. And it's like 65 degrees in right. So, you know, for you guys to experience that 20 degree weather clock, you know, climbing up on a frozen ground. I mean, that's what those that's what those guys actually experience, like freezing temperatures, solid ground, snow and and all that. And so, like, for you, like, did you know much about the Battle of the Bulge before? And like, how did how did this event kind of informed that particular battle for you?

Corey Parsons: 27:57

Yeah, so I obviously anything military, I try to think about history, why especially, you know, World War Two battles. So I was definitely familiar with the Battle of the ball just familiar with, you know, the amount of casualties that went into it. But think, some small things that you kind of don't think about. So yeah, you obviously, the normal person understands the, the the aspect of war, right, and you know, the possibility of getting killed, wounded or captured. But you kind of forget about the little things that has to happen for those. So the amount of food that has to get brought into those, you know, you look at the trenches that those guys hand dug, and frozen ground. It's not like they had excavators and they were hand digging all of us so so even before your actual battle, which most people would probably agree that's probably the toughest environment you could be in. But just the environment leading up to that I think a lot of people just kind of look past and you, you don't realize how miserable that that would have been, you know, just digging trenches alone. Yeah, with a spade shovel. It's tough to even try to put yourself in those shoes. And I'm not saying that the go rock event was even a comparison. But it makes you sit and think about things and there ain't much other things to think about when you're laying on a hill at three in the morning, and it's you know, 18 degrees and you're, most of your body's wet from sweat. And then I think, you know, Aaron did an awesome job of highlighting what some of those guys went through and casualty numbers and their sacrifices. So when you're laying there, and you're looking up at the sky, and your body at this point, like I was at that point, I pretty much had become numb most of my body was numb to The cold and the pain. And then at that point, it kind of transitioned from physical and the mental. And I just sat there and you kind of just, it was a very like that feeling. Honestly, it was kind of priceless. Like you're sitting there, you're at complete muscle failure, you're transitioning into a mental game, and you're listening to Cadre, you know, kind of preach these facts. That's a very unique feeling.

Ryan Burns: 30:26

So, like, you're on the other side of it. Now, you've, you, you, you completed a GORUCK. Tough, you, you made it despite your complete lack of preparation. Like, what do you like? what's the takeaway for you? Like, what do you leave this event with? coming out on the other end?

Corey Parsons: 30:51

Yeah, so I think it's changed a little bit. Morning of I was, I looked, you know, basically was like Dustin Austin, this is great. There's no reason for me to ever do anything like this again. It was, I was really questioning some serious life decisions if I'm being completely honest. Um, and, you know, it's kind of cool, though. You know, going back to my company, that my rucksack for example, my guys bought that for me for Christmas. So that was kind of cool.

Unknown: 31:26

The,

Corey Parsons: 31:28

the camaraderie of me, Dawson, you know, Austin out there, kind of going through the same amount of pain together. It's, that was a very cool experience, you know, especially when you tie that into the business side of it. Yeah. You know, guys, we just went through, you know, 12 hours of hell, there's anything at work, we we'd get through anything, let's just, we just push forward. That's the only thing we can do. So the event itself, looking at it now. I definitely, I've been trying to figure out what I want to do. So I have been trying to rock with the guides almost every weekend since then. I'm trying to get some different tolerances build up. Yeah. You know, this past weekend, it was an ass kicker, man, we have roughly, we had roughly a foot of snow on the ground. And we went out I think we did five or six miles on Saturday. So you It definitely, I definitely want to do another one. I'm just figuring out kind of which side they see this. For me the winter events. I feel more comfortable with the summer stuff, man. Some of that seems, you know, you start doing that stuff in 90 degree heat. It's tough. I think it'd be very taxing.

Ryan Burns: 32:52

Yeah, it's tough. And it's it's cool to hear like, I think your your story is similar to many folks. I mean, I know it was mine, you get done with that first event. And you're like, oh, that was really cool. hardest thing I've ever done. And I'm glad that I'll never do that again. And then like, like two weeks later, you find yourself on the go ruck website looking at events, and you're like, what am I doing?

Corey Parsons: 33:20

Yeah, well, for me, physical, you know, I was probably a week after the event physically, I was, I was rough. But even hours after event, I felt completely different mentally than I probably I ever have, you know, even with achievements or any type of accomplishments. Mentally, I felt 100% recharged after the event, which was to me was weird. That was hard for me to even try to, you know, a lot of people's asked me about the event sense. And that's something hard to explain for me is I think, honestly, I did be the one to see if I still could dig deep as a as an individual. Which, you know, not that my jobs made me lazy this point, but it's taken me out of a physical game, turret, you know, put me into a mental, a mental aspect day to day. So I wanted to make sure like, I could still dig deep and walk through those doors if I needed to. So that was that was kind of one thing with it. But you know, to I think a lot of people would agree that's done them at some point of the of the event, it does shift from a physical to a mental aspect. I knew physically, I could get to it. But again, going back to that mental state, I wanted to make sure mentally I could dig deep enough. And that's what was super cool. So now, my mind says Well, what like, how much more could you endure? So you know, I've talked with the guys and I was like, you know, I'm just gonna sign up for a heavy and they just They just they think it's the funniest thing in the world. And they're like, there's no way you could do a heavy and I'm not saying I can or can't but I do before this year's up I do want to sign up for one and give it a whirl,

Ryan Burns: 35:14

Cory man that is that's friggin awesome. Like, I love the the, the connections and that you made and transferring it over to I mean the relationship with with you and your guys at the business like that, that that bond that you formed like the the that experience of mental clarity on the other side and commitment to what you want to do at work. I mean, I think that's so awesome. And I love that like you're like alright, I think I want to do the heavy and and just listening to you. I think you're the kind of guy that like not now that this is this is it like, you're you're gonna do what you need to do to get that heavy. And let me just tell you, man, you're gonna love it. Like it'll be hard. it'll it'll take probably a little more preparation than you had for your tough but man earning that heavy patch. It's it's special man. And and so I want you to stay in touch and let me know whenever that that heavy comes around. And we'll we'll have you back on the podcast and we'll talk about how the heavy was compared to the tough.

Corey Parsons: 36:33

Oh, that sounds great. Awesome, man.

Ryan Burns: 36:35

Well, thank you for your time, Cory, and all the best man.

Corey Parsons: 36:40

Appreciate it, Ryan and now you have a great day. You too.

Ryan Burns: 36:46

I love it. Cory just like so many of us going from now. I don't think I'm ever gonna do that again. To You know what? I think I want to do a heavy classic go ruck, y'all. Well, thanks for listening to this episode of Under The Log for show notes, links to stuff that we talked about. And a full transcript of the episode visit us at Under The log.com. Of course, we'd love it if you subscribe to the podcast, tell all your friends about it and maybe leave us a positive rating and review. Okay, that's it for me. We'll see you next time on the next episode of Under The Log.